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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children

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our parents told us that monsters didn't

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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folks good evening welcome to another

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episode of arcane radio where we explore

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the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you within a candid shot of

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the howard fields of gettysburg

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i welcome wt watson to arcane radio now

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wtr will is a writer of both fiction and

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non-fiction

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he infuses his work with his knowledge

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of cryptids monster lore magic for tiene

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and the paranormal wt brings a unique

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shamanic and magical perspective to all

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his works

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over 30 years of exploration in these

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topics

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now when he is not writing or reading

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about monsters he can be found outdoors

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allowing his dogs to take him for a walk

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around the neighborhood

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in kitchener ontario

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he lives with his spouse stacy in a

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townhouse that would be jammed with

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books if it weren't for

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e-reading

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and wt recently published a book

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but beyond the free publish publishing

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my publisher

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entitled

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phantom black dogs walkers of the

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liminal way

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so will thank you for joining me this

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uh avoid confusion

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um in everyday life i go by travis which

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is my middle name oh okay travis

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that's good the the will thing is a long

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long facebook story okay

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well you know

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it is what it is i i you know i i

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have a lot of people i talk to

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and everybody has a little moniker or a

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little uh

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well their their their author name or

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writing name and such so i get it i

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understand it

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so

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black hounds uh hellhounds and such

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what's that what's the nexus of all this

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where did this all start why did it

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become what it was and uh how did you

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get involved with it

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um as you mentioned beyond the phrase is

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both of our publisher

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i originally uh published a novel with

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beyond the fray called hunting the beast

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and when i was doing the research for

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that novel um

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i wanted i wanted something different

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for a main character i just

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you know everybody was riding werewolves

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or vampires or you know something along

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that line

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i went to where i always go i went to

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the lore

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and started reading some stories here

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there and everywhere i came across a

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really interesting uh shape-shifting

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stories about uh a shape-shifting story

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about black dogs um which became the the

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seed for the novel

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um of course because i wanted to be able

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this phenomena in the book

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i did some more research and as i was

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doing that i was thinking to myself wow

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and after we published the novel um

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shannon said you know have you thought

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about writing a non-fiction follow-up

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for this book

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and i said well as a matter of fact i

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that's where the the

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the book phantom black dogs walkers of

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the liminal way came from

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now when you start talking about black

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dogs

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and their origins i think you have to go

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way way way way back in history

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dogs have been associated with death

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almost from the time that uh

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dogs were domesticated

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thousands of years ago

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it wasn't long before those animals

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a carnivore is going to take advantage

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of any free meal it can get and human

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remains are not off limits

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and then when you start to look at

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history and mythology you have uh beings

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like anubis the the the black jackal of

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of ancient egypt who

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who became of course the

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the guardian of the underworld

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and a psychopomp who led

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uh souls to the duat

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greek mythology who is also described as

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a guardian of the underworld also

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little farther you discover a dog named

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garm which was the guardian of

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we move up into the medieval time period

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out of uh bunge in england

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of of a black dog that supposedly

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invaded a church there and actually

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killed some people

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into history you start to get these

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historic witness accounts in about the

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1800s 1900s and so forth so

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extensive history

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you read these accounts and you find out

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that there's a lot more to this

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apparition though than just a death

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apparition or a death portent

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um there's

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there's all kinds of high strangeness

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that goes on around these these animals

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these apparitions

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except that they do have some physical

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reality too sometimes

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you know your two main types of black

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dogs seem to be the the death portion

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15 20 16 years ago or so i um you know

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of course i the the big stories about

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hell hounds and black dogs were coming

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out of england for the most part cannick

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chase is probably the biggest area you

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know he had the old stories about in

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london where people would be chased by

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these things of course you know

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everybody knows

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the hounds of the baskervilles and

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possible connection there or some type

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of phantom

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being or such and um

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you know i guess it's something that we

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have it's kind of

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eat itself into a lot of different

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cryptid stories

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and a lot about what you write a lot of

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what you write about kind of can fit

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into these other candid cryptids as well

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the upright canines the the dog band and

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such so um

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what what have you learned as to why

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these things appear or is there um

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is there an actual reason why they

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appear are they from the you know some

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what do they usually what do you usually

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you know i kind of divide my my black

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dogs into two different territories um

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there is definitely an association

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between the phantom black dog and death

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there's no getting around that even the

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people who

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would like to say otherwise when you

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analyze their data

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i talk about this in the book you have

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something like a 20

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chance of

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either a death in your family or the

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witness actually dying after a black dog

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um so that's way above

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but what i point out in the book is that

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you know i think that this hellhound

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thing is is kind of overblown

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yeah yeah sometimes the black dog does

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appear as a very frightening apparition

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there's no getting around that you know

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you have this monstrous dog sometimes

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with glowing eyes

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as the size of a of a calf

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or of the height of a tabletop

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equate it with large dog breeds like the

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great dane or the mastiff or the the

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massive this thing is it's a very large

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creature usually

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and you know you get the glowing red

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eyes the eyes are described as being the

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size of the size of saucers so

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typically a very you know can be a very

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scary apparition

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on the other hand you can have a black

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dog that appears that people actually

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confuse for a normal dog

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of a large size but but confuse for a

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a lot of times these more normal

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apparitions appear in that more guardian

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role that i was talking about

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the very typical story um and yes a lot

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of these are from england but there are

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there are stories in the united states

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so it's it's not just a british

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phenomenon there's actually black dog

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often a young lady or a

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a minister of some kind who's walking

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from point a to point b

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um

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and uh you know from one village to

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another uh in england or whatever often

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walking

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um they will encounter something that

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they regard as a threat

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um

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may just simply be a dark forest

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maybe you know group of seedy looking

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individuals down the road

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you know may actually be robbers

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and

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suddenly this dog will appear by their

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side

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usually very large dog doesn't seem to

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want to get close to them or interact

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with them but is very much aware of

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their presence i talk in the book about

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something called the black that i call

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the black dog stare where

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this

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apparition

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is intelligent and has regard for you it

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knows you're there it's looking at you

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um

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this dog will walk along uh beside this

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person

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until they are past the uh the threat

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whatever that threat may be

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um and then it disappears

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one of the things that we see very

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typically with black dogs is that they

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they seem to be very territorial

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um they have like a a

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a section of road that they patrol or

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that they're known to uh

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quote unquote haunt

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um

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and and are not frequently seen outside

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that area

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so i think on the one hand you have

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black dogs that appear in this guardian

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role

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i tell the story of a young man who's uh

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in in norfolk england who's riding back

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to his home village after

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uh attending a dart tournament

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um he's riding his bicycle

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one of the interesting things about

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black dogs is you can't outrun one

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um

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nobody's ever recorded being able to

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outrun one

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he's riding his bicycle he sees this

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large dog

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on the side of the road

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he finds it frightening

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because he's afraid he's going to get

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chased

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and sure enough he passes this animal

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and this animal takes off after him and

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he can hear its pity patting uh

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pause on the on the ground behind him

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which gives you an idea that this

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apparition has got a kind of a physical

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presence

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the dog

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whips around the side of him and he says

361
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he can smell it

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um

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it runs out in front of him and stops in

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the middle of the road

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and he jumps off of his bicycle and puts

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a bicycle between him and the dog

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because he's afraid he's about to be

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attacked

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about this time

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down the road a little ways is what the

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british call a spinny it's a group of

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trees and bushes and so forth

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out of this spinny comes this car comes

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rocketing up onto the road and you know

375
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skids sideways and goes taking off down

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the road at a high rate of speed

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and this fella realizes that if this dog

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hadn't stopped him

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he would have been at that driveway

380
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and very likely would have been injured

381
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or killed

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um so

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you know

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everybody likes to talk about the scary

385
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black dogs with the red eyes and the

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hellhound what they what they want to

387
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call a hellhound

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there's a whole other

389
00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:00,079
aspect to this cree this apparition that

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that people don't pay attention to and

391
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and that's that guardian aspect

392
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now the

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aspect that you're talking about um that

394
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people generally think of as a hellhound

395
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which i don't really like that usage

396
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because i don't think that

397
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,279
the black dog has anything to do with

398
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the christian place of punishment right

399
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um you know it just doesn't doesn't hit

400
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me as being something that's associated

401
00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:28,560
with that it's just simply another type

402
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:30,560
of apparition

403
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:31,759
but those

404
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:33,920
those other death port and dogs are the

405
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:36,720
ones that can be scary um and

406
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you know

407
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as i said

408
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in about 20 percent of black dog witness

409
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:43,600
cases either the witness or somebody in

410
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,079
their immediate family passes on

411
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you know within a year of uh

412
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of actually citing this creature so

413
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um i think those are kind of two reasons

414
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:57,759
why the black dog appears sometimes we

415
00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:00,079
just don't know

416
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:02,240
um sometimes this thing shows up in

417
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:04,959
somebody's pathway and and obstructs

418
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,279
them and we don't really understand why

419
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,519
because black dogs are known to

420
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:13,600
just stop in the middle of roads and not

421
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,720
allow people to pass or stop at a gap in

422
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:18,480
a hedge and not allow a person to go

423
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,320
into a particular field

424
00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:22,720
that may have something to do with the

425
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,600
uh

426
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,519
with the the guardian aspect we were

427
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,440
talking about earlier or it may have

428
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:28,959
something to do with

429
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,279
that territorial uh idea that we were

430
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:34,000
talking about earlier it may be that

431
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:35,440
the dog just doesn't want you on his

432
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,720
turf

433
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:39,199
um so i mean there's there's just so

434
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:40,000
much

435
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:43,680
in the lore of these creatures that uh

436
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:46,160
that you can talk about that

437
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:47,920
you know there's all kinds of reasons

438
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:50,160
why they can be there

439
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,320
you know i uh i and i i noticed in your

440
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,720
book did you reference several

441
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,880
my posts some of my accounts that i

442
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:58,560
posted over the years

443
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,120
and uh i think most of those were here

444
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,400
in the united states but um what are

445
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,039
some of your your uh better

446
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:09,679
accounts from either anywhere in north

447
00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:13,199
america particular us canada and such

448
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:16,400
well i yeah so

449
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:19,520
one of my favorite black dogs

450
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:21,760
um if i if i had to to pick out a

451
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,160
favorite there is a a a a version of the

452
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,640
the black dog apparition in a

453
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,480
an area of maryland

454
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,080
that has the wonderful name of the

455
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,000
snarly yao

456
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,520
um which i really enjoyed i i don't know

457
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:39,120
where they came up with that name but

458
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,559
it's so evocative that you just like

459
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,240
you you have you know i have heard that

460
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:46,559
term on several occasions i i lived in

461
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,280
maryland for 40 years there we go i i

462
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:51,039
live in southern pennsylvania so that

463
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:54,320
does occasionally come i think that term

464
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:57,600
is probably from old german uh i'm not

465
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,880
sure

466
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,880
but you know the black dog upright

467
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:02,320
canines

468
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,520
dog man

469
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:05,600
werewolf hole you know when when these

470
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,240
germans came to the new world

471
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,640
instead of forming and stuff a lot of

472
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:12,640
that came forth i mean a lot of the old

473
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,280
world traditions and lore

474
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:17,520
uh started to make its way here and

475
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,799
people were seeing these things that

476
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,400
were these thought forms of these actual

477
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,840
beings i don't know

478
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,000
but it makes some good stories

479
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,400
it makes some excellent stories um so

480
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,720
the snarly yao a lot of the stories that

481
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,559
i have for snarly yao come from a book

482
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,640
called south mountain magic which

483
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,720
i don't remember the exact time that it

484
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,880
was published but it was early 1900s i

485
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:39,120
believe oh i know the book but i know

486
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:40,840
the story yeah yeah

487
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,679
yeah so

488
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:43,760
there are several black dogs stories in

489
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:45,760
there yeah these are appalachian folk

490
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,120
magic people oh yeah owl hours uh i've

491
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:51,600
got pow wowers in my family from way

492
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:54,080
back so i've heard a lot of this oh i'm

493
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,760
sure some of it's pretty interesting

494
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,480
yeah

495
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:59,280
i like um

496
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,240
so i love those those stories because

497
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:05,039
you know you have a situation where

498
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:06,160
fellas

499
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,320
gone to the general store and picked up

500
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,240
some stuff for his family and he's

501
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,559
trotting on home he's walking down the

502
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,320
road and snarling yeah walks out the

503
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,760
road in front of him

504
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,000
now most people would look at this big

505
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,720
honking black dog and say you know what

506
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,440
maybe i'll go another way

507
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,640
this guy

508
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,240
says nope nope he's gonna put his

509
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,080
packages down he's gonna move that dog

510
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:29,679
out of the way

511
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:33,360
and uh he starts wailing at this this

512
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:34,640
apparition

513
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,840
which obviously he can't

514
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,600
but the really interesting thing about

515
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,240
this uh this particular snarly yaw story

516
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,919
is that the more he tries to hit this

517
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,200
thing

518
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:47,120
the bigger it gets

519
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:50,320
it actually grows in size

520
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,679
it's one of the one of the

521
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,760
shape-shifting aspects of the black dog

522
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,320
lore that's pretty common is this idea

523
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:58,000
that the thing will grow and get bigger

524
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,280
and bigger and bigger there's a story in

525
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,799
england where it gets as tall as the

526
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:02,000
trees

527
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:03,120
um

528
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,080
so

529
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:06,080
he's wailing away at this thing all he

530
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,760
succeeds in doing is making himself

531
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:09,039
tired

532
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,840
now

533
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,000
we have again we have no idea why this

534
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:14,080
dog decided it was going to block that

535
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:14,960
path

536
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,600
but eventually it just goes away it

537
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,960
disappears

538
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,720
and he goes on about his way he goes

539
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:22,080
back to his cabinet and says he saw

540
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,600
snarly owling

541
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,200
you know

542
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:27,919
it didn't go well for him

543
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,520
um by the same token you have another

544
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:35,039
guy same same book same uh same set of

545
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:36,240
stories

546
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,679
um see snarly yao while he's out writing

547
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,480
and and he whips his rifle out and the

548
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,039
the author makes a point of telling us

549
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,960
that this guy is a cracked shot you know

550
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,960
he doesn't miss

551
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,190
apparently snarly yao is immune to

552
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,080
bullets too because this this guy shoot

553
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,240
fire several rounds at the at the dog

554
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,480
and and nothing happens absolutely

555
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,360
nothing happens um it kind of reminds

556
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,840
you of the the bulletproof wolf and the

557
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,400
the hunt for skinwalker book um

558
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:11,120
if you recall that story

559
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,240
um

560
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,400
the united states too

561
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,720
is one of the only is the only place

562
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:19,840
that i found a black dog that's not

563
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,080
massive um there's a black dog

564
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,760
in connecticut i believe

565
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:27,280
it's called the black dog in the hanging

566
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,640
hills

567
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,039
and there's a an interesting story about

568
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,039
that one

569
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,000
um this black dog is spaniel sized and

570
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,880
it looks exactly like a little black dog

571
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,039
just running around in the hills

572
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,600
but the legend behind this this creature

573
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,880
is that

574
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:47,039
if you see the dog once it's for your

575
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,240
joy

576
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,400
if you see the dog twice it's for your

577
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:52,880
sorrow and if you see the dog a third

578
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,679
time it's your death

579
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,720
and the story uh that appeared in the

580
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,520
papers about this geologist who goes up

581
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,600
he's with a friend of his

582
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,679
they go up on to the into the hanging

583
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,520
hills and they're taking rock samples

584
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,880
and doing what geologists do

585
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,640
and they

586
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,640
see this black dog

587
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,600
now the fella who wrote the report had

588
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,000
seen the dog once before

589
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,400
but unfortunately his companion had seen

590
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,640
the dog twice before

591
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,840
and upon seeing this dog he promptly uh

592
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,760
slips on ice and and falls into a

593
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:31,840
crevasse and dies

594
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:32,799
so

595
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,159
the guy who saw it twice it was for his

596
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:38,880
sorrow for the third time it was for his

597
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,000
death so my recommendation to you is if

598
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,240
you're going to this area of connecticut

599
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,080
and you want to look for this dog if you

600
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,360
see the dog

601
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,640
leave

602
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,880
and don't ever come back

603
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,840
um

604
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,960
because we don't want it we don't want

605
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,360
to take any chances for you

606
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,360
um

607
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,799
so those are

608
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,960
some american stories that pop

609
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,600
i i talked to about the the phantom

610
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,000
black dog of iacrusis which which you

611
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,240
documented in phantoms and monsters and

612
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,600
by the way i have to tell you i

613
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,919
absolutely love your blog

614
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,440
um

615
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:15,919
it has been such a source of inspiration

616
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,440
over the years um you know i have i've

617
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,039
you know i've always been interested in

618
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,880
the things that go bump in the night and

619
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,039
uh it's all it's nice to be able to keep

620
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,280
up with the things that are going on uh

621
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,799
currently too

622
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,799
uh because i spent so much time immersed

623
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,080
in the history of things right um

624
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,679
so you know

625
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,480
the the the black dog of via cruces

626
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,559
uh the legend is that you know you have

627
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,600
two young men who uh encounter a black

628
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:45,360
dog uh you know that comes out of a

629
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,640
church yard at the crossroads there um

630
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,240
but the interesting thing is that

631
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,240
there's actually a witness account that

632
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,039
almost exactly mirrors that

633
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,200
sort of urban legend account

634
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,799
that we have

635
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,799
where a woman and her husband are

636
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,080
driving along

637
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,080
come to the same pretty much the same

638
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,320
place they see something come out of the

639
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,600
church yard

640
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,520
um and at first

641
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,880
they're not sure what it is they thought

642
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,120
it was a bear it was so big

643
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,200
um thing stops in the road typical black

644
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,320
dog behavior you know and uh turns you

645
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,640
know the glowing red eyes on them and

646
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,279
they're like okay we're out of here

647
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,159
um and you know much like the the two

648
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,760
young men in the in the more urban

649
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,720
legend account they beat feet and uh you

650
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,520
know made their way somewhere else

651
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,840
um because the things scared the easiest

652
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,880
out of them

653
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,000
um

654
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,480
now none of those was uh other than the

655
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,240
the black and hanging hills none of

656
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:44,080
those seem to be death portent stories

657
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:44,840
though

658
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,960
important stories in south mountain

659
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,159
magic

660
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:53,039
i um my fa a lot of my family grew up

661
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:54,000
well

662
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:54,960
was

663
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:58,880
from uh the western north carolina area

664
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:02,480
and uh in the smoky mountains and um

665
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,830
well they call them hell hounds what out

666
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,559
there

667
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,679
a lot of these large dog black dog

668
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,240
stories originate from from those

669
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,000
mountain areas um the appalachians and

670
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,520
and uh so i've been hearing this stuff

671
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,760
all my life you know yeah you know this

672
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,320
that story you you mentioned i think

673
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,320
that was in north carolina

674
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,559
uh yeah via crisis is in north carolina

675
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,240
sorry right i forgot to mention that's

676
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,039
all right uh but no i in it that state

677
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,600
needs seems to be rife with these type

678
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,840
of stories and i you know of course i

679
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,880
think a lot of it has to do with the

680
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,039
culture

681
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,520
but you know this um you know i

682
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,400
mentioned earlier about the uh the

683
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:49,039
the appalachian folk magic and all that

684
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,320
together i think

685
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,279
i if you ever talk to conjurers

686
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,360
root conjurers in that area they will

687
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,000
bring up these black dogs

688
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,240
it's part of what they do

689
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,039
well yeah yeah i mean when you get into

690
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,120
the the juxtaposition between the black

691
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,279
dogs and the and and the magic stuff

692
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,679
then i talked about that in the three

693
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,799
section

694
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,799
um but

695
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,760
yeah i mean when you take into account

696
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,559
the fact that a lot of the settlers in

697
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,559
appalachia were from

698
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,600
uh

699
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,000
kind of my my homeland which is my

700
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,960
mother was born in scotland i'm about 70

701
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,880
scottish and irish so

702
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,120
um a lot of the the people that ended up

703
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,520
in appalachia were were

704
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,600
scottish origin and

705
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,640
i know

706
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,559
some folks

707
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,760
who

708
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,919
would be called fairy seers in in

709
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,279
ireland

710
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,720
and um

711
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,279
and they're of the opinion that when

712
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:50,840
these folks came over to appalachia

713
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,080
um they bought their spirits with them

714
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,200
um so all those fairy spirits you know

715
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,120
all the all of the fun things that you

716
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,600
read about in in books like you know the

717
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,600
the the fairy faith in celtic countries

718
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,440
and stuff like that a lot of stuff ended

719
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:08,320
up over here as well including black

720
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,279
dogs

721
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,279
absolutely so so there's there's

722
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,120
definitely a a correlation there um

723
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,640
you know my book is written as an

724
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,840
introduction

725
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,640
okay

726
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,520
um i wanted to introduce the subject to

727
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,480
people give them some good stories about

728
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,000
some of the weird stuff that happens

729
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,760
around these dogs a lot of the stories

730
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,600
in the book are from england

731
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:32,480
um you know and what i was trying to do

732
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,399
was uh as i said uh put together a group

733
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,640
of stories that were interesting that

734
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,559
kind of hung together and

735
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
demonstrated some of the the weirdness

736
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,880
that happened these guys

737
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,679
there's a ton more lore out there

738
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,399
oh yeah just a ton of it you know if you

739
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,480
wanted to write the

740
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,960
the the complete compendium of black dog

741
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,960
stories i'm betting it would be hundreds

742
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,120
and hundreds of pages long

743
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,520
um but a lot of those stories are out

744
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,600
there yeah a lot of those stories are

745
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,039
pretty much the same though so i didn't

746
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,720
want to repeat myself over and over

747
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
again

748
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,000
um but yeah i i agree with you elon i

749
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,600
definitely you know

750
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,120
and as you said there were a lot of

751
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:15,520
german settlers in those areas too and

752
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,200
they bought their own set of of of

753
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:21,120
beings with them too

754
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,159
um

755
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,039
the interesting thing to me was i again

756
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,120
talking to the very very folk people

757
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,200
that i know

758
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,159
is that uh they said that when the scots

759
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,240
first came over here for a while they

760
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,640
felt bereft because they didn't have

761
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,720
their spirits with them right

762
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,880
it took it took a while before the

763
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,600
spirits caught up with them apparently

764
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,200
and then they started to get their

765
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,600
contacts back and and things started to

766
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,640
go back to more more normal in their

767
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,720
their other world i guess

768
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:54,080
uh which i thought was really

769
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,279
interesting

770
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,279
uh we had a question to chat from blue

771
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,640
cross roads

772
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,559
was there an old tale of black dog in

773
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,399
the uk that entered the church and

774
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,240
attacked the congregation back in the

775
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,840
1800s

776
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:08,000
uh can you relate to that

777
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,520
yeah that act

778
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,480
much earlier than the 1800s it was um

779
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,640
actually in the 1500s and there were

780
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,720
actually two churches um they were the

781
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,000
churches in

782
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,590
the name of the other town slips my mind

783
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:24,799
um

784
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,360
so the legend is and and this is a

785
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,159
legendary account and it comes from

786
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,279
a uh a track that uh

787
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,480
basically was written by a

788
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,799
a religionist of some kind

789
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,159
um

790
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,000
it's all about trying to get people to

791
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,159
repent

792
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,919
um so

793
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,640
i'm not sure how much stock we can place

794
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:52,159
in the stories

795
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,039
but

796
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,440
the the basic story is that there was a

797
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,600
tremendous storm in august of that

798
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:59,120
particular year

799
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,919
and

800
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,240
the storm apparently was so bad

801
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,600
that the the the members of the parish

802
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:07,360
were afraid that the world was going to

803
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,640
end so they all gathered in the church

804
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,600
and were as they say hearing the divine

805
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:17,919
office

806
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,919
and this black dog allegedly appears

807
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,120
and

808
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,200
you know during the course of it's it's

809
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,200
rampage through this church it kills a

810
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,159
couple of people and cripples one guy

811
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,080
now the interesting thing about this

812
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,760
story is that

813
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,440
um

814
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,760
the black dog is supposed to have killed

815
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,960
these people by ringing their necks

816
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,880
and last time i checked you had to have

817
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,279
thumbs to do that

818
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,480
um

819
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,120
so i'm not sure exactly what the you

820
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,399
know whether that was supposed to be a

821
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,120
shape-shifting thing or whatever

822
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,159
um the other interesting thing is that

823
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,120
the fella who is crippled

824
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,000
the the the text reads that the black

825
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,559
dog griped him it gripped him it

826
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,039
actually got a hold of him

827
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,080
and as a result he dried up like shoe

828
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,840
leather

829
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,559
now i don't know how you survived that

830
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,679
but apparently this fella did

831
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,960
and uh

832
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,799
went on to live for some youth sometime

833
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,240
after that

834
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:23,440
um

835
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,200
from from the church going actually

836
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,320
through the doors and it said that uh

837
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,880
the dog left burn marks and that looked

838
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,480
like claw marks on the door of the

839
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,760
church that you're supposed to be able

840
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,360
to see today

841
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,430
there's some confusion in the local lore

842
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,440
about whether this was actually a black

843
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,760
dog or whether it was actually the devil

844
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,279
that appeared

845
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,039
in the church

846
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,559
so

847
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,559
i'm not sure how much stock to put in

848
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,679
this story

849
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,159
there's also a major discontinuity in

850
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,720
the story because the the guy who wrote

851
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840
this

852
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,240
uh is telling us that

853
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,880
the the the vicar the the individual

854
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,720
who's supposed to be running the divine

855
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,640
service at the time this was all going

856
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,360
on on was up a ladder cleaning the

857
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,679
gutters of the church

858
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,200
in a storm

859
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,679
and got hit by lightning

860
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,559
but apparently survived so

861
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,600
you know this is obviously a very old

862
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:28,960
account

863
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,840
don't know how much stock to place in

864
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,720
the account given that the last page of

865
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,279
this this pamphlet is actually a prayer

866
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,919
of repentance you know to to get people

867
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,799
back into the church so okay um i think

868
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,640
that there's a probably a good

869
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,399
possibility that a lot of this was made

870
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:50,240
up to scare people into going back to

871
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,360
church

872
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,159
um but yes there was a story

873
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,640
and and uh and it did uh

874
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,640
it is alleged to have happened and it's

875
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,799
one of those things that gets cited all

876
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,519
the time in black dog war because it's

877
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,360
you know supposed to be the first

878
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,960
account of a block

879
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:08,480
so

880
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:13,279
linville brought up which i have heard

881
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,240
of

882
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:18,000
rose hill in port tobacco maryland i've

883
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,039
heard this

884
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,480
i don't really know i have to worry

885
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,240
behind it

886
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,840
uh i i've heard of it um yeah

887
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,679
i didn't include it in the book because

888
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,000
it's a blue dog yeah

889
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,880
um you know and and you know i mean

890
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,799
there are um

891
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,679
there are any number of dog apparitions

892
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,720
out there

893
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,320
the scots have something

894
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,159
kushi which is a fairy dog

895
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,519
uh which

896
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,760
you know is the reason that uh some

897
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,640
people

898
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,559
maintain that there are more black dog

899
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,720
stories coming out of scotland

900
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,720
there's the kushi in scotland which is

901
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,200
white and has green ears

902
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,159
or it can be or red ears or can be

903
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,919
absolutely green

904
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,200
which would be a really interesting

905
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,640
thing to see

906
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,200
i have heard of the blue dog um i don't

907
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,480
know the story though no i don't know

908
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,639
i have heard a chance to research that

909
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,240
one yeah

910
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,839
uh well i tell you in this part of the

911
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,079
country where i'm in here um

912
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:19,440
you know there's a lot of german

913
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:20,639
influence

914
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,599
like with the amish and such and you

915
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,079
know in the amish faith they're i mean

916
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,560
in in their lore you hear a lot about

917
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,119
demon blue black dogs

918
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,119
uh they don't really talk about it a lot

919
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,599
every once well you get somebody to coax

920
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,159
them into talking about it

921
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,000
uh but uh

922
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,879
they have those hex marks on their barns

923
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:46,480
well that that was the pencil being the

924
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,950
yeah the hex sign is a big part of

925
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,040
production and look the um

926
00:35:03,589 --> 00:34:59,920
the dual which is a

927
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,599
a dog or upright canine dog man type

928
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:04,640
being

929
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,720
about in western maryland when these um

930
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,480
these german farmers moved from

931
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,560
pennsylvania into maryland

932
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,079
but uh you know we've been hearing it up

933
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,000
in pennsylvania in this area around

934
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,440
gettysburg and you know this whole

935
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,359
southern pennsylvania sure

936
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:21,760
uh but yeah you know when you talk about

937
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,960
dogs and canine cryptids and such

938
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,400
we're kind of in the middle of that here

939
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,320
because we get a lot

940
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,400
of reports yeah i've i've looked at your

941
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,520
uh your dog man map yeah

942
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
and yeah i mean

943
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,760
and there seems to be

944
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,680
some correlation between phantom black

945
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:41,680
dogs and and what you might call a man

946
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,359
wolf or dog man yeah um

947
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:46,160
but

948
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,359
uh

949
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,280
most of your phantom black dogs they're

950
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,760
very they're i think i found maybe two

951
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,000
phantom black dog stories where the the

952
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,240
dog actually got up on its hind legs and

953
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,040
walked around

954
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,760
and i do differentiate the two because

955
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,760
you know the phantom black dog takes a

956
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,560
very specific form that you know that

957
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,000
kind of giant

958
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,440
uh you know red-eyed form

959
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,480
whereas your your man wolves and uh and

960
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,079
and dog men

961
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,000
are bipedal upright canids um that look

962
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:21,359
you know that people

963
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,280
almost always describe as a werewolf

964
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,599
and so you know in my mind they're kind

965
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,520
of two separate things because the dog

966
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,440
man seems to have a much more physical

967
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,880
presence too

968
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,760
um you don't have stories of people you

969
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,920
know taking a swing at a dog man and

970
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:40,000
having their their hand passed through

971
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,800
it

972
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,440
so the black dog is actually more of an

973
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,520
apparition but it can have physical

974
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,240
effect in its environment whereas you

975
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,240
know it seems like the dog ban is is

976
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,680
more of a

977
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,560
physical manifestation of something uh

978
00:36:58,290 --> 00:36:56,400
you know now we can go on and on about

979
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,300
what that could be

980
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,520
[Music]

981
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,400
so

982
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,440
but the interesting thing is that again

983
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,800
when you start to talk about your

984
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:06,640
phantom black dogs having a physical

985
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,000
effect in in reality it usually has

986
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,440
something to do with their guardian

987
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,040
aspect

988
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,119
so for instance there's stories of

989
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:17,280
people being lost on mountainsides in

990
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:21,430
and

991
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,040
uh encountering uh something in the mist

992
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,520
that you know a dog and they don't

993
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,599
realize what it is that they're they're

994
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,000
dealing with but this dog that blocks

995
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,520
their way again

996
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,760
uh is always trying to get in the way of

997
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,160
something um and then they discover as

998
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,000
the missed clears that if the dog hadn't

999
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,359
stopped them they would have walked over

1000
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,720
a cliff

1001
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,839
um

1002
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,560
so

1003
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,440
and again and then the black dog you

1004
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,440
know does that stair thing that i'm

1005
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,760
talking about and then disappears

1006
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,079
once the threat is passed

1007
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,359
so a lot of times

1008
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,079
when you have the the the black dog

1009
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,920
having a physical effect on its

1010
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
environment it's again acting in that

1011
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,800
it's got to stop you from doing

1012
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,440
something wrong

1013
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,960
which i find

1014
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,200
very interesting very intriguing

1015
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,000
i have had reports and not really long

1016
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,400
reports but just people getting hold of

1017
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,079
me and mentioning you know

1018
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,520
you know i was looking out into the

1019
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,160
woods and i see the red eyes and i don't

1020
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,000
really see a form

1021
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,079
but then i see it moving about like that

1022
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,839
of a dog and

1023
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,720
you know

1024
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,599
then eventually i will see a dog form in

1025
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,760
the red eyes that you know and at all

1026
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,440
most of those always seem to be some

1027
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,200
type of apparition something that

1028
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,520
shapeshifts or you know moves in and out

1029
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,240
of our reality and you know

1030
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,680
uh i and it's hard for me to even

1031
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,320
comprehend what exactly that is

1032
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,040
but you know the red eye thing

1033
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,800
it's normally associated with something

1034
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:57,119
that's non-corporeal or something that's

1035
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:58,160
you know

1036
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,760
these settings we get with the upright

1037
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,599
canines and such in pennsylvania in

1038
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,280
maryland

1039
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,200
or moshi like that flesh and blood

1040
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,839
something that seems to be supernatural

1041
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,320
yeah interdimensional but has a form an

1042
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,560
actual solid form to it

1043
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,119
right when it's on this side of the veil

1044
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,280
you know it can you can do some damage

1045
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,280
if it wants to and you know we i think

1046
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,960
we've been fortunate not to have that

1047
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:25,920
happen though these things tend to

1048
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,200
stand their ground uh people walk up on

1049
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,880
to them and you know even if they're

1050
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,040
armed they're kind of like oh well i'm

1051
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,280
not taking a shot at this thing

1052
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:36,960
we've had people have taken shots at

1053
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,599
these things and it goes through them or

1054
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,680
you get the blood splatter but there's

1055
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
no there's nothing there everything

1056
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,359
takes off and leaves you know

1057
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,440
so yeah

1058
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,000
yeah personally you know if i had to

1059
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,839
choose between the two i would take the

1060
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,520
phantom black dog

1061
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,160
absolutely yeah because yeah as you said

1062
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,640
um i've heard people uh i think shannon

1063
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,400
legroz the one who's always talking

1064
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,520
about how that black the the dogmans or

1065
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,599
dog men are just pissed off

1066
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,640
you know

1067
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,760
um

1068
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,240
and it's true uh these guys seem to have

1069
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,640
a real attitude problem yeah

1070
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,599
and they are very territorial the

1071
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
interesting thing to me though is that

1072
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,480
the phantom black there's a crossover in

1073
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:22,400
behaviors where phantom black dogs and

1074
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,160
dog men will both sometimes chase people

1075
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,119
but they don't catch them

1076
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,200
you know and you gotta figure

1077
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,440
uh you know a phantom black dog for

1078
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:36,000
instance was once clocked running next

1079
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,839
to a

1080
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,520
motorcycle um and keeping up with it

1081
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,400
yeah no problem um yeah you know these

1082
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,800
creatures if they wanted to catch you

1083
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,960
could catch you oh absolutely you know

1084
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,680
your dog men too if they wanted to catch

1085
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,119
you they could catch you so

1086
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,839
again i think what you what you have is

1087
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,599
is territoriality

1088
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,319
um where this creature whatever it is

1089
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:02,160
whether it's a phantom black dog or a

1090
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,280
dog man

1091
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,760
is uh is actually

1092
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,359
defending its turf

1093
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,119
you know and it's bluff charging you

1094
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,599
basically absolutely um yeah i feel the

1095
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,280
same way you know i haven't gotten you

1096
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,280
know even cryptids all together a lot of

1097
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,800
that has to be

1098
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,880
like sentinels or guardians you see that

1099
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,280
in sasquatch sightings all the time

1100
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,599
you know where you get too close to this

1101
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,920
thing and it'll it'll make a run at you

1102
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,599
but you know come on

1103
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,599
you know again with the with the

1104
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,240
sasquatch um you know you have a

1105
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,400
creature that moves like a ghost through

1106
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,319
the woods

1107
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,400
and goes up and down hills like they're

1108
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,680
not even there

1109
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:41,680
yeah if the thing wanted to catch you it

1110
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,109
but we have a whole bunch of witnesses

1111
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,599
who say that you know it ran them out of

1112
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,839
whatever area they were in

1113
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,680
but

1114
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,079
you know they they came to no real harm

1115
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,319
other than you know the the the trauma

1116
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,000
to their psyche

1117
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,200
uh yeah so yeah this is very you know

1118
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,119
you know i'm getting outside of my

1119
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,800
wheelhouse talking about phantom black

1120
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,400
dogs but you know i've been studying

1121
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,560
this stuff for years and years and right

1122
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,040
there's a lot of correlation there um

1123
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,640
you see a lot of that same kind of

1124
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,839
behavior whether you're talking about

1125
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,480
sasquatches or dog men or phantom black

1126
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,760
dogs or

1127
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,200
you know

1128
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,119
the goat man of denton

1129
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,960
the indenting

1130
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,359
um you know chasing people out of its

1131
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:29,119
it's territory

1132
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,160
um so there's there's a lot of that

1133
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,839
territoriality going on

1134
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,599
but like i said with with our phantom

1135
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,960
black dogs we get the additional

1136
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,680
dimension of this idea of them

1137
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,599
sometimes blocking people from doing

1138
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,599
things that they that would be harmful

1139
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,960
to them so

1140
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,359
which you don't see so much in in some

1141
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,960
of these other uh

1142
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,000
cryptid

1143
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,560
or apparitional creatures

1144
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
you know a lot of these instances where

1145
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,480
we see this activity or this

1146
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,119
guardianship or sentinel activity or

1147
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,520
cemeteries oh yeah you know of course

1148
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,960
we've had

1149
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,440
people that see sasquatch on the the

1150
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:08,880
periphery of these

1151
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,640
these cemeteries upright canines a lot

1152
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,359
of different things and uh even you know

1153
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,480
of course

1154
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,720
phantoms not necessarily ghostly

1155
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,520
apparitions but something that just

1156
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
you know like these these crawler

1157
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,200
humanoids and things like that

1158
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,640
a lot of this

1159
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,319
and i'm reading a book about that and

1160
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,920
believe me i'm coming up with all kinds

1161
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,720
of crazy stuff oh yeah

1162
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,760
so um just just that those things are

1163
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,319
just creepy yeah

1164
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,040
yeah it's just just not something i want

1165
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,880
to encounter you know give me a black

1166
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,270
yeah i agree with you i don't

1167
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,960
necessarily want to see it and i tell

1168
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:51,280
you they do live an impression on people

1169
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,400
oh yeah

1170
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,240
you know it's one of the things you see

1171
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,560
about black dogs too is that they really

1172
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,960
you know i have a couple of stories in

1173
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,319
the book about

1174
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,280
people who saw a black dog you know 60

1175
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,440
years before and and

1176
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,359
you know it wasn't even a particularly

1177
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,280
impressive sighting but it leaves an

1178
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,520
impression on them

1179
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,440
you know and i think you know you see

1180
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,520
the same thing again in sasquatch lore

1181
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,440
and the dogma more you know all the all

1182
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,920
these different uh creatures you know

1183
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,960
where

1184
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,640
having an encounter with one of these

1185
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,760
things is a life-changing event

1186
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,079
you know um and it's something that i

1187
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,920
think investigators don't take into

1188
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,599
account sometimes you know they're so

1189
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,920
busy jotting down oh well it was this

1190
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
tall and you know and it reached up to

1191
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,000
here and it did this and it walked this

1192
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,160
way and there's these tracks and da da

1193
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,920
da or whatever

1194
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,400
um that they forget that there's a

1195
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,119
witness there well you know we uh

1196
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,720
we we have been working on this wing

1197
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,480
humanoid

1198
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,560
yeah stuff in chicago and environs

1199
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,640
around chicago and lake michigan

1200
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,359
and yeah i read tobias's book yeah yeah

1201
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,440
you can type the reports and well he's

1202
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,880
written a book i've written two and it's

1203
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,319
just kind you know it would just keep

1204
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,160
going and going going and it just

1205
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,079
continues on now it's centered around

1206
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,800
o'hare for the most part yeah but it's

1207
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,560
so is there like a little cemetery there

1208
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,200
or something yeah there is

1209
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,960
and this is something we're intently

1210
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,040
working on now trying to get an

1211
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,359
idea of what's going on

1212
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,280
but that's another story

1213
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,520
yeah yeah but now you know that whole

1214
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,079
that whole investigation

1215
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,520
has just

1216
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:30,160
oh my god it just has

1217
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,319
evolved into some really bizarre

1218
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,079
and fantastical uh results and you know

1219
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,680
we're actually involved with some

1220
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,319
possible communications with these

1221
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,800
these beings now and

1222
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,200
you know we we're just kind of laying

1223
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,359
back and let it come to us and you know

1224
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,680
a little by little and hopefully

1225
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,839
get some man but that's the whole thing

1226
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:55,200
you know we've been doing this now for

1227
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,480
five years

1228
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,960
and we are looking for answers and

1229
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,200
there's just you know it's just it's

1230
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,319
just a never-ending cycle sometimes i

1231
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:05,760
think that

1232
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,480
these things are just mysteries that are

1233
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,920
designed to

1234
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,599
to keep us from

1235
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,839
from getting into that mindset of we

1236
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,920
know all the answers now

1237
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,040
oh yeah

1238
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,640
yeah but you know we're talking about

1239
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,839
cemeteries

1240
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:23,920
yeah one of the things that you see a

1241
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,440
lot um phantom black dogs dog men like

1242
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,119
you said sasquatch also seen on the

1243
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,839
periphery of cemeteries oh kind it's one

1244
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,640
of the

1245
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,280
i talk about in the book

1246
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,960
places that you're most likely to see a

1247
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,240
black dog

1248
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,319
and one of the places that you're most

1249
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,240
likely to see a black dog is in a

1250
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:43,599
cemetery

1251
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,319
cathedral where people are buried um

1252
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,599
even ancient neolithic burial cur cairns

1253
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,200
um in

1254
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:57,680
up in the up in the highlands in england

1255
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,400
um

1256
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,640
and linda godfrey points out in her dog

1257
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,280
man books over and over and over again

1258
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,079
the the correlation between

1259
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,400
uh the dog man and

1260
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,720
these uh indian burial mounds um

1261
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,319
throughout uh

1262
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,480
throughout the the midwest there

1263
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,520
um

1264
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,560
but you know i mean one of the one of my

1265
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,960
fun stories in the book uh this is a

1266
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,280
police officer in england

1267
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,200
they call them constables

1268
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,510
was doing his nightly rounds and saw

1269
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,359
this large black dog running down the

1270
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,440
road looked distressed

1271
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,599
so he started to to follow this dog and

1272
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:38,000
the dog actually runs through the iron

1273
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,119
gate

1274
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,200
uh of this the local cemetery and

1275
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,760
disappears into a headstone

1276
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,880
um

1277
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,839
so

1278
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,440
you know we see

1279
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,559
there's also a story in the book about a

1280
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,480
family that were visiting the local

1281
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,599
cathedral in their their uh one of their

1282
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,440
the nearby towns

1283
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,240
um and they saw a black dog go racing

1284
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,720
down the side of this cathedral and then

1285
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,640
turn and actually run into the

1286
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:07,599
foundation of the of the church

1287
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,400
and

1288
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,520
for a minute it's like okay well why is

1289
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,960
this thing going into a church and then

1290
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:14,880
you realize that there are people buried

1291
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,400
in inside those cathedrals

1292
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,400
so again you have that association

1293
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,359
with death and the dead um so

1294
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,160
the black dog of viacruzis in new in

1295
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,559
north carolina comes out of the cemetery

1296
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,160
church yard at the episcopal church

1297
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,359
there

1298
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,319
so again you have black dogs associated

1299
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,160
with death

1300
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:38,240
and and the dead

1301
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,200
and

1302
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,040
you know i mean you can't get around

1303
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,920
that you have that you have the dog men

1304
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,000
and the burial mounds

1305
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,760
you know you have sasquatches appearing

1306
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,720
on the

1307
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,680
the periphery of of cemeteries

1308
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,720
um

1309
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,200
you know and that's not to to to mention

1310
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,440
all the the people who have experiences

1311
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,839
in cemeteries of you know ghostly or

1312
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,640
apparitional uh type

1313
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,880
experiences so

1314
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,440
you know it all kinds of winds together

1315
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,000
but it's all a mystery

1316
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,599
you know we keep saying oh well i want

1317
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,480
answers i don't know that that you know

1318
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,160
i mean sometimes i wonder if i want

1319
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,319
answers you know i i don't really i like

1320
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,910
yeah you know i guess we're chasing the

1321
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,240
answers but do we really want them

1322
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,640
sometimes you know you always get this

1323
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,400
this thought of well you know

1324
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,000
if we figure this out then the whole

1325
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,319
thing would be moot but well it has a

1326
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:37,200
funny developer's voice right yeah oh

1327
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,000
yeah

1328
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,240
is developing theories absolutely i have

1329
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,839
a whole section on theories at the end

1330
00:49:46,589 --> 00:49:44,079
of the book ranging from you know the

1331
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,599
the skeptic triad with you know

1332
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,800
misidentifications and hallucinations

1333
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:49,520
and

1334
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,319
mean obviously that happens sometimes

1335
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,000
and we can't deny that that happens

1336
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,800
sometime but i range it on out to you

1337
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,359
know spontaneous psychic events and even

1338
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,440
uh you know the magical use of thought

1339
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,960
forms which i talk about pretty

1340
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,760
extensively yeah i'm i'm really a

1341
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,960
proponent of that theory as well um

1342
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,040
thought forms i believe are just part of

1343
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,680
the the paranormal and cryptid activity

1344
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,599
there's something there

1345
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,000
oh yeah it's hard to explain but i think

1346
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,680
there really is something there

1347
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:24,480
uh i had a question from ancient ruby

1348
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,240
sure uh lon can you ask mr watson

1349
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,119
if there if it was the runwall church in

1350
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,720
wickford uk that he says a black dog

1351
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,559
goes after the victor

1352
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,400
no actually

1353
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,520
uh

1354
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,280
so the the

1355
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,280
church story that i told was bungay

1356
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,559
england

1357
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,200
um and the other one is blythe borough

1358
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,520
or something along that line

1359
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,800
um

1360
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,720
like blithe something i can't remember

1361
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,480
there were two churches that that the

1362
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,200
dog appeared at in

1363
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,559
uh

1364
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,720
on the same day um

1365
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:02,480
the black dog doesn't actually go after

1366
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,240
the vicar uh the black dog goes after uh

1367
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,319
people in the congregation

1368
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,680
um and

1369
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,520
a couple of the congregants were killed

1370
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,520
and and the one was injured

1371
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,400
um

1372
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,800
you know so that that's kind of the the

1373
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,200
essence of that story what happens to

1374
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,440
the vicar is he's up on a ladder and he

1375
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,680
gets hit by lightning

1376
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:26,240
which apparently he survives but

1377
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,520
as far as we know it didn't have

1378
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,760
anything to do with the black dog

1379
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,359
except

1380
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,559
that black dogs also have a correlation

1381
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,400
to storms

1382
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,000
um so

1383
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:39,040
maybe

1384
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,359
something to do with this figure getting

1385
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,359
hit by lightning but uh

1386
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,480
in the story of a

1387
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,599
coast guard uh fellow named graham in in

1388
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,800
the uk

1389
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,920
he sees a uh uh this is in 1972 i

1390
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,599
believe he sees the black dog running

1391
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,200
across the beach in norfolk which is

1392
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,520
black chuck territory black chuck is

1393
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,640
more of the scary black dog he sees a

1394
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,599
black dog running across the beach in

1395
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:08,880
in norfolk

1396
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,440
um doesn't think anything of it is about

1397
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,800
he said it was about the size of a

1398
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,040
labrador so it was a good sized dog but

1399
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,440
it wasn't massively huge

1400
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,680
um and he doesn't think anything unusual

1401
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,960
is going on until the black dog

1402
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,680
disappears right in front of him

1403
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,800
like he's looking at it and it vanishes

1404
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,640
and he makes a note of telling people

1405
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,040
that the the beach had been freshly

1406
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,800
bulldozed so there was no place for a

1407
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,040
dog to hide

1408
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,920
now the interesting thing about that is

1409
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:39,040
that

1410
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,520
sighting

1411
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,400
a major gale came up

1412
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,760
so there's

1413
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,240
and i talk about the association between

1414
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:52,000
black dogs and storms in the book a

1415
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,040
little bit

1416
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,800
um it's a little more tenuous

1417
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,480
association than some of the other

1418
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,160
things in the book but it's still

1419
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,319
interesting because we do occasionally

1420
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:02,480
see them associated with

1421
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,400
uh with storms um snow storms uh gales

1422
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,119
uh yeah you know thunderstorms that sort

1423
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:11,920
of thing you know there's the the one um

1424
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,280
there's the one there's a fan dog or

1425
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,920
what black dog or what uh the beast of

1426
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,720
dartmoor and we hear about that in in

1427
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,079
great britain

1428
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,160
uh

1429
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,760
there have been photos of this thing as

1430
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,839
well though i don't know if those are

1431
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:29,200
legitimate or

1432
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,000
you know

1433
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,480
yeah the beast of dartmoor if i if if

1434
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,040
i'm getting my cryptids straight is uh

1435
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,119
actually what what the the boards called

1436
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,119
an alien big cat

1437
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,319
um yeah but yeah uh again i mean it's

1438
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,880
been referred to as a dog cat this that

1439
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,119
they don't really know what it is

1440
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,040
you have had that critter that runs

1441
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,559
around in north carolina called the

1442
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,839
wampus cat absolutely this is kind of

1443
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,640
something in between a dog and a cat

1444
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,400
six legs uh

1445
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,440
yeah yeah that's a completely bizarre

1446
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,920
sound yeah creature right and nobody can

1447
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,839
decide whether this thing is a cat or a

1448
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,720
dog or you know somewhere in between or

1449
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,800
what the heck this thing is we have

1450
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,680
gotten some really bizarre whompus cat

1451
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:16,079
sightings oh i'm certain

1452
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:17,280
uh

1453
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,920
most unbelievable places like in the

1454
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,720
middle of a campus in some college

1455
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,800
oh yeah it shows up and you know it's

1456
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,000
bizarre

1457
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,760
um i don't know what the hell people are

1458
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,240
seeing they you know they swear it's

1459
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,680
flesh and blood and it's not an

1460
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,559
apparition but you know

1461
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,160
what that's

1462
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,880
and you have uh again in the the shape

1463
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,799
shifter section i talk

1464
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,559
of the book i talk a little bit about

1465
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,520
how

1466
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,440
some of the people who've seen phantom

1467
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,119
black dogs initially thought they were

1468
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:51,760
looking at a big cat

1469
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:54,799
and then it sort of morphed into you

1470
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:58,079
know your your classic back black dog so

1471
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,599
you know these creatures are not

1472
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,040
uh

1473
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:05,200
you know your your standard flesh and

1474
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,480
blood you know i mean in order to have

1475
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,799
an animal that actually could shift from

1476
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,680
one form to the other require enormous

1477
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,640
power outlay oh yeah in the physical

1478
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,599
world

1479
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,799
but if you're talking about an

1480
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,480
apparitional creature

1481
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,160
you know something that pops through the

1482
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,319
veil and and you know doesn't have a

1483
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,920
full physical presence here

1484
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,839
you know one imagines that it can take

1485
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,000
whatever form it wants absolutely there

1486
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,000
are legends of the the phantom black

1487
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,000
dogs in some sections of england that

1488
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,400
appears as black goats

1489
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:41,280
um and and other you know black animals

1490
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,079
so

1491
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,240
yeah it runs the gamut it actually oh

1492
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,240
yeah it's it's bizarre

1493
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,200
so um so travis uh i'd like for you to

1494
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,880
tell folks how they can get in contact

1495
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,839
with you

1496
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,599
uh i think you have another book coming

1497
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:56,000
up as well you announced it today

1498
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,720
uh

1499
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,240
tell us what's going on

1500
00:56:01,829 --> 00:56:00,000
okay so um

1501
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,839
the first of all phantom black dogs

1502
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
walkers the liminal way is available on

1503
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,599
amazon right now

1504
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,000
uh i believe that the distribution will

1505
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,040
go wider at some point but i'm not sure

1506
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,040
i don't know at this point

1507
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,520
um i do have another book coming out

1508
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,760
it's contracted it's due on the 1st of

1509
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:20,079
december i'm not going to say too much

1510
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,359
about it because i don't want to give

1511
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,599
the idea away

1512
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,240
behind the same boat man i understand it

1513
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:29,440
suffice to say that whereas this book

1514
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,280
focused on one uh paranormal occurrence

1515
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,000
the next book is going to run the gamut

1516
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,599
uh because i'm going to be talking about

1517
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,640
everything from sasquatch to ufos to to

1518
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:43,599
mysterious disappearances in this book

1519
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,599
um and tying them all together uh in a

1520
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,880
way that i think

1521
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,839
people will find to be really unique

1522
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,160
you can find me on social media as you

1523
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,280
mentioned i'm will watson on facebook

1524
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,839
and i also have a author page under wt

1525
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,799
watson

1526
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:02,720
i think i gave you the stuff for show

1527
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,480
notes so uh so i've got links i'm uh uh

1528
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:08,559
i'm also on twitter

1529
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:12,319
as wt watson and um i'm on uh instagram

1530
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,440
as well

1531
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,640
so uh

1532
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,240
those are all ways that you can reach

1533
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,119
out to me i've actually had at least one

1534
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,160
person who submitted a a an eyewitness

1535
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,160
black dog account since

1536
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:27,359
seeing about me on on social media um

1537
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,799
so

1538
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,440
i'm perfectly happy to get witness

1539
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:34,160
accounts from anybody oh i i get it

1540
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,599
that's how i survive

1541
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,760
yeah i mean that's that's what you do

1542
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,480
lon you and you are the man

1543
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:43,920
um but i'm perfectly happy to uh to just

1544
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,480
to uh see witness accounts and to hear

1545
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,240
what people have to say about phantom

1546
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,119
black dogs and other paranormal uh

1547
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,920
occurrences because i'm i've like i said

1548
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,480
i've been studying this stuff

1549
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,480
you know

1550
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,240
well uh

1551
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,440
i started off in high strangeness in

1552
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:05,920
elementary school when my dad told me

1553
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:08,480
about his ufo encounter

1554
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,440
um

1555
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,599
and then i read uh ripley's believe it

1556
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,400
or not comic book about ghost stories

1557
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,280
and those two things got me going and uh

1558
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,880
you know by the time i was in sixth

1559
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,640
grade i had read ivan sanderson's

1560
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:23,200
abominable snowmen absolutely comes to

1561
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,240
life

1562
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,480
um and i just went from there frank

1563
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,440
edwards ufos you name it i was i was

1564
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,400
into it yeah we all got hooked early oh

1565
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,280
yeah yeah it's kind of lingered once but

1566
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,839
you know it's it's what we've done and

1567
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,400
you had your own personal experiences in

1568
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,839
the mix too

1569
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,520
so you know when this other book comes

1570
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,440
out let me know and when you want to go

1571
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,440
on and we will book you and we'll talk

1572
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,960
about that

1573
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,520
yeah i'll be more than happy to do that

1574
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,640
and uh

1575
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,760
yeah i again i just wanted to to

1576
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,079
take a cup take a minute to you know

1577
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,000
express my thanks to you for keeping

1578
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,599
phantoms and monsters running for all

1579
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,440
these years because

1580
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,559
you know

1581
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,280
it can be discouraging sometimes

1582
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,760
being involved in in this stuff because

1583
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:10,799
you know

1584
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,079
uh you tend to get a little isolated um

1585
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,440
because

1586
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,280
the stuff you want to talk about other

1587
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,839
people look at you like you're mad uh

1588
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:20,960
yeah

1589
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:24,000
my poor spouse is constantly like okay

1590
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,829
research on what

1591
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,400
yeah get it um

1592
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,680
you know so uh you know it's nice to see

1593
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:36,960
that uh

1594
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,680
that not only are these uh

1595
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,000
things like phantom black dogs and dog

1596
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,359
men and ufos and these walker things and

1597
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,520
all of the stuff still happening and

1598
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:49,839
happening right now and happening to

1599
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,880
people that you might live next door to

1600
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,760
um

1601
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,880
you know it's good to know that that

1602
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,079
you know there's someone out there who's

1603
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,000
still collecting who's collecting those

1604
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:02,240
stories who's putting those stories out

1605
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,040
there

1606
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,559
you know i mean you don't have to

1607
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,839
believe everything people tell you

1608
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,400
but you know

1609
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,680
when you have

1610
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,520
a bunch of witnesses

1611
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,720
testifying to the same thing

1612
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,119
and it's it's a cogent story like your

1613
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,680
phantom black dogs

1614
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,599
you have to think something's going on

1615
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:26,240
if you were in a court of law

1616
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:27,119
and

1617
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,599
telling you that they saw x

1618
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,319
you know eventually you know that takes

1619
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,200
that that becomes proof

1620
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,960
yeah yeah we're not going to prove this

1621
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,880
stuff scientifically

1622
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,400
yeah because yeah

1623
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,839
that's pretty obvious at this point

1624
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,359
because yeah because phantom black dogs

1625
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,040
are not going to sit still

1626
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,119
and and you know and repeat their

1627
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,960
appearances over and over again so they

1628
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,559
can be monitored

1629
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,119
you know you saw this uh you know in the

1630
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,040
book the the hunt for skinwalker that i

1631
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,480
referenced early

1632
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,720
yeah the knit scientists you know

1633
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,160
thought they were going to set up and

1634
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,559
and do research on ufos and they got

1635
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,720
everything but

1636
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,400
absolutely because

1637
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:11,280
the phenomena don't sit still

1638
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,160
uh

1639
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,119
you know for people to monitor

1640
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:17,520
and you know so getting scientific

1641
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,119
evidence of any of this stuff i don't

1642
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,640
care you know whether you're talking

1643
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,359
about sasquatch or dogman or phantom

1644
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,720
black dogs or

1645
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,400
ufos or any of this stuff getting

1646
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,160
scientific evidence of that stuff is

1647
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,079
gonna be hard it's gonna be really

1648
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:32,000
really hard

1649
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,599
well travis i wanna again thank you for

1650
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,040
coming on the show and we'll definitely

1651
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,680
have you back and uh just have a nice

1652
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,079
weekend and we will tell you soon

1653
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,920
yeah thank you very much for having me

1654
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:43,599
on i really appreciate the opportunity

1655
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:44,319
to

1656
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:49,200
and other stuff okay you take care now

1657
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,839
take care of you too

1658
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,280
bye-bye uh now if you have an

1659
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,960
unexplained encounter setting feel free

1660
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,640
to contact me through the phantoms and

1661
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,640
monsters blog site now i once again

1662
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,640
thank wt watson

1663
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,039
for joining me this evening

1664
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,200
and uh thanks to each and all you for

1665
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,440
watching and chatting if you made a

1666
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,680
super chat donation it's truly

1667
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,960
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1668
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:12,880
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1669
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,240
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1670
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,119
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1671
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:21,280
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1672
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,720
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1673
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,119
the screenwriter and producer

1674
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:29,520
of the well-renowned monster quest

1675
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,559
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1676
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:35,440
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1677
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,559
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1678
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:40,720
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1679
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:41,520
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1680
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:44,559
so until next week stay healthy and have

1681
01:02:55,500 --> 01:03:08,140
[Music]

1682
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:20,710
[Applause]

1683
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:33,200
so